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Diabook theme suggestions... :-)

@Thomas Bierey Your diabook theme is quite feature packed but I'd like to offer 2 suggestions that I really hope you'll consider implementing (perhaps on alternate versions even):

► For the stream view -- Use larger thumbnails with drop shadows (like slackr but perhaps not quite as large). These would be easier on the eyes & IMHO, provide better visual cues for distinguishing each post from the next.

► For the stream view -- Eliminate the faint lines around posts/comments & instead embed all comments/quotations within very light blue or grey 'boxes' (just like the facepark theme). This would help break up the monotony of the current all-white background & IMHO, make browsing the stream much easier because the important elements would be easily distinguishable from each other & at a glance too.

► Can a dark version of diabook be created that also includes these suggestions? Because it would be totally EPIC if you could pull that off too. ;-)

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Wouldn't it be great to have versions of diabook though? So, for instance, the original stays as is while the alternates become more experimental & stylish. ;-)
I like diabook very much, although I switched to cleanzero for the moment, because the search results are not linked to my own server, but to the original server. That leads to that I cannot search posts and comment them.

Diabook is definitely my favorite theme for friendica. Please don't make things larger. Instead I hope things will become more compact, especially in the vertical axis. Most monitors today are 16:9 widescreens. I hate this format, but the good old 4:3 is dead. And it means we lost height on the screen. When even more posts came in every day one has to scroll endlessly to wade through the posts.
Actually Infinite Scrolling rather the number navigation (1 2 3 etc) would instantly make it more modern. :-) Like in Infinite Scroll | jQuery plugin, Wordpress plugin, interaction design pattern on Infinite-scroll
@Rove Monteux Yes, Infinite Scroll would be a cool thing I really missed since I came over from D*.
Oh, yes please. Some infinite scroll would be fantastic!
Indeed, can load a very small number of posts (like 5/6) and then let the Infinite Scroll load the rest, also in batches of 5/6, it makes the page load faster in the end as well.
Although, having the numbers does make it much easier to make big jumps back in time (as opposed to having to sit there "infinite scrolling" endlessly just to go waaaay back for whatever reason).
Time travel should be done in a calendar way though, as in by day, week, month, year etc, as it is now kinda impossible to say if what you are looking for (a chat from last week for example) is in page 8 or page 16 ?
@Rove Monteux That seems like a good idea to me. :-)
Facebook have implemented something in those lines in their new profile page, and that does kick ass, not sure if anyone else have that but you can go back to say, June 2010, in a single click,

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That navigation sits in the right hand side of the screen, and it scrolls rather reloading the entire page.
People complain about the timeline but AFAIC, it's a clever way of presenting FB's version of a 'lifestream' in a desktop UI. I honestly can't fault them for switching everyone over to it.
Rove I have the mechanism to do that (there's a minor issue of i18n) but haven't done anything with it while Facebook is forcing people to accept "timeline". Once that furor has died down I'll throw in some date-based navigation, probably as a plugin so it doesn't look like we're forcing it on anybody.
@Mike May I have the blue prints of your time machine? What a massive output you are producing, I just can wonder where you take all the free time from ... or has Australia 26 hour days?

Cool! :like
@mike
Mike is a legendary kung fu master... ;-)

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They seems lookalikes :-) If not they both have mastered the good side of the force!

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Oh please, not infinite-scroll. If that will be implemented by any theme creators, just be very sure to implement it correctly - put a limit to it.

I have seen sites implementing the idea very wrongly - no limitations and it was very bad. The new Facebook timeline, the new Facebook friend manage page, and GetGlue, are the best examples.

Why infinite scroll is bad, or what mistakes you should avoid:

  • Infinite scroll eats browser memory
  • Which then will eat your PC memory
  • Then your browser will slow down
  • Which later will affect and potentially hang-up your system - even Linux! Imagine that!
  • In case of Facebook, it makes managing friends very hard and close to impossible - I ended up deleting everyone and restarting from scratch all thanks to their wrong implementation of infinite scrolling
  • Again, if you do not know what you are doing and you do not use your own product, like GetGlue (and I'm tired tel
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@JC John Sese Cuneta (謝施洗) There's no need to ask for forgiveness. You've made some good points & I'm sure they're well taken. Thanks for all the thoughtful input. :-)
@Mike that sounds great, that is actually one thing that I have seen only on Facebook - I was skeptic about it at first but if you look well, it is a brilliant idea that can be very useful.

For example, if you were at an annual event july last year and lots happened around it on Friendica, and you want to re-read and maybe repost some of it for this year's one, you can just click June 2011, and you are back in time, reading it as if this was happening now. With infinite scroll plugged into it, all it takes is minutes to go through the lot all over again.
OK folks, please don't be too upset by these comments. There really is no need to be. I simply want to add my thoughts to this thread for personal reference purposes.

@sasiflo
Diabook is definitely my favorite theme for friendica.
I don't have a favorite theme per se, but I do have a distinct preference for dispy dark. I also switch to other themes occasionally but always wind up switching back because dd works best for me. Sure it's a little buggy, but it's dark & everything I need just works (more or less). And yeah, it isn't as vertically compact as I'd like it to be, but whatever, I can live with that for now.

What do I like & dislike about the other themes I occasionally switch too? Well...

For diabook
● I like the overall look of it, but still would love if it were tweaked in the manner I suggest in the OP.
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Showmore solves the problem of long text posts, but there's nothing to do the same for images, so scroll bars are there for large images. Without scroll bars, you'd need to limit image size, and that means an extra click, an extra page load, and an extra db query to see full size images. So, to remove the scroll bars you need a variant of the theme. All it takes a bit of copy-pasting, and one additional line of CSS (you can even copy paste that from one of the other NS themes).

The problem is each theme needs somebody to maintain it. Too many of them, and there's no time to do anything else.

Do it, upload it somewhere, people will use it. If you'll also maintain it, do it, and put in a pull request.
I'm not entirely sure what I want my ideal ~F theme to look like yet. That's why I occasionally switch themes to figure out what I like & dislike about all the current offerings. That's also why I don't have a favorite yet either, although I do have my preferences. ;-)

~F's flexibility is something I haven't fully come to terms with yet. There are many aspects to this project that change the way I think about what it's full capabilities might be & how they could/should be applied.

I hadn't even considered the implications of what you see below until it was pointed out to me recently...
Take WordPress. They assume you'll host on WordPress.com, and out of the box, you get a blog, and that's it. They have, for example, RSS readers and a socnet too - but you have to add features for your users. We give everybody the RSS reader and the socnet, and try to add users to the features.
It's not obvious what you should compare Friendica to. Fr
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@Axel Bruland G+ & FB have tons of money to throw at their UI designs & I suspect there are very good reasons why they don't do "monotony of white" themes. FB, in particular, has been at it longer than most & their newsfeed has likely been carefully designed to look the way it does. Even G+ has gone with some light grey highlighting to distinguish posts from comments. None of this distracts from the content IMHO. In fact, I think this subtle highlighting helps provide the kind of visual cues that make feeds more compelling and/or engaging and/or addictive and/or just plain easier to use (at a glance).

BTW, I find the one-upmanship going on between FB & G+ to be highly entertaining. I haven't seen anything terrify FB quite as much as G+ has. lol :-D
Considering we were discussing timelines & UI design earlier, did anyone catch this story...

OverBlog Gets Overhauled, Arrives In US: Turns Your Blog Into A Real-Time Social Media Hub
So what makes OverBlog so interesting? In addition to serving as a traditional blog, it aggregates your content from social media platforms like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube, etc. all in one place. Plus, you’ll soon be able to livestream directly from your mobile phone to your blog. And all of this takes place in real-time.
Of course, Scoble's all over it & posted links to his Overblog page + another social agrgregator called Rebelmouse. Check out the UI's though...

* http://scobleizer.overblog.com/
* http://www.rebelmouse.com/Scobleizer/

Interesting, yes/no? So what does everyone think?


OverBlog the ultimate blogging platform for influential people by gear2roots on YouTube
Facebook is Facebook is Facebook is Facebook.

It doesn't matter which app you use to access it - be it a web app, a mobile app, or desktop app - it's still Facebook.

It might even be dangerous, offering a perception of "control" that doesn't actually exist.
But those are the sorts of companies ~F will have to contend with. At least that's what I think anyway. I wonder how they plan to monetize though? By placing even more ads into aggregated streams ??? :-O lol
We're rather like the BBC in that regard - we're in a completely different arena to our 'competitors'.
So through tireless volunteerism, the plan is to turn ~F into a sort of Wikipedia of federated socnet aggregation & advocacy? ;-)
We don't have to be volunteers forever. We can't be volunteers forever. There is no such thing as free. Everything you use is there at a cost to somebody. There's just the caveat that anything we do that lets people make money can't be done at the expense of people who want to host/manage/develop their own.
@foonetic (nternetx) lol. :-D

I enjoy following what he gets up to though, 'cause he's so absolutely obsessed with startups & social networking in general. Like that post about those 2 commercial social aggregators earlier. When I saw it I couldn't help but think of this thread where we'd discussed certain aspects of socnet UI's. One of the links above features a Facebook-ish timeline & the other, a Pinterest style layout.
He no longer has any credibility with me - after declaring about a month ago that Facebook/Google can never be stopped and it's stupid to fight them or even support an alternative - so everybody should just give up thinking about a free web and give up their privacy and be done with it.

Those weren't the exact words, but that was the message.
@Mike same here. When I read that, I had no doubt that he sold his soul to the biggest bidder. I was shocked he said those, of all the people.
@mike
... after declaring about a month ago that...
@Mike Yeah, everytime he does that I always picture Moglen, Searls & Winer going :facepalm
Doc Searls wrote:
First, Robert Scoble is an old friend and a good guy. But I couldn’t disagree with him more on the subject of Facebook and the alleged virtues of the fully followed life. (Go to this Gillmor Gang, starting about an hour in, to see Robert and I go at it about this.) Clearly Facebook doesn’t know about that. Nor does any advertiser, I would bet. In any case, Robert likes so many things that his up-thumb has no value to me.
In that GG vid the lolz begin 55 minutes in. ;-)
@mike
I kinda like this UI for Friendica -- https://svbtle.com/ (click around for a bit)

I especially like the split-screen scrolling action. Just imagine if the 'dispy dark' or 'kakste' themes worked like that. Yeah, now that would be nice.

#justsayin ;-)
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A static aside within the present templates breaks downscaling. While there is a simple bit of CSS you can add to aside, it reduces compatibility. It'd need template work as well.

Also note addons can add arbitrary content to the aside, and it often extends below the fold.
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Having both sides scroll would be the way to go IMHO. Its just that one side wouldn't need to scroll as much as the other.

In an ideal world, that's how kakste would/should work. I mean, truthfully speaking, the svbtle UI is quite simple, clever & rather elegant even.
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